Rebel V-65 Servo & Ecofeed Technical FAQ
1. How do I "home" the bar feeder (also referred to as "resetting the zero point")?
A. FMB Bosch controls: Begin with the guide channel closed and the bar pusher about a foot forward from the rearmost position from the lathe. Press the F7 button on the manual screen to go to the Automatic screen. Press and hold the "UP" arrow (located on the right side of the screen) and push the F1 "REF" button. The bar pusher will move to the rear of the bar feeder until it reaches the home proximity switch which will reset the reference or home position.
B. FMB Omron touchscreen controls: Begin with the guide channel closed and the bar pusher about a foot forward from the rearmost position from the lathe. This model bar feeder resets the home position each time the bar pusher turns on the home proximity switch. No further steps are required.
C. FMB GE Fanuc control (approx. 2010 and earlier): Begin with the guide channel closed and the bar pusher about a foot forward from the rearmost position from the lathe. Press the F1 button to go to Auto menu 1. Press the down arrow to go to Auto menu 2. Press and release the F8 button (REFF). The bar pusher will move rearward to the first proximity switch lights and continue until the encoder marker pulse is reached. The bar pusher will be between the first and second proximity switches with only the first switch on.
D. FMB Omron pre touchscreen: Begin with the guide channel closed and the bar pusher about a foot forward from the rearmost position from the lathe. This model bar feeder resets the home position each time the bar pusher turns on the home proximity switch. No further steps are required.
E. Edge Tech Patriot (all versions): Begin with the guide channel closed and the bar pusher about a foot forward from the rearmost position from the lathe. Press and hold the forward and reverse jog buttons on the remote control pendant. After approximately 8 seconds the bar pusher will begin to move toward the rear of the bar feeder. As soon as the bar pusher begins moving rearward release the two buttons. The bar pusher will continue moving toward the rear until the home proximity switch is turned on, completing the resetting of the zero point.
F. Edge Tech Minuteman 320: Begin with the guide channel closed and the bar pusher about a foot forward from the rearmost position from the lathe. Press and hold the "Pre Auto" button (top right button) on the remote control. After approximately 10 seconds the bar pusher will begin to move to the rear toward the home position micro-switch. Release the button as soon as the pusher begins to move rearward.
G. Edge Tech Rebel 102 and Rebel 80: Begin with the long or the short pusher forward about a foot. Then press the "Manual" block in the upper left hand corner of the screen. This will bring up a new screen. Press the button "Maint Screen" to bring up the maintenance screens. Press the "Jog/Set Pusher" button. The screen will display the pusher menu. Press the top right button, "Disable Servo". By hand, move the long pusher to within ½ inch of the home proximity switch at the rear of the bar pusher's stroke. Press the top right button again which now says "Servo Disabled" to restore the servo drive to operation. Press the top left button, it will say either "Reference position lost" or "Reference OK". The bar pusher will move very slowly toward the home proximity switch until it reaches the hard stop. During this movement the "reference OK" or "Reference position lost" button will blink. When the movement is complete the button will be steady and say "Reference OK". The position on the screen at this point will be negative 1.0mm or the inch equivalent. The pusher position must be 0 before the V-tray will operate. Push the "Pusher Advance" button on the screen until the pusher position is greater than 2.0mm. Push the "Go to home position" button and the pusher will return to zero. Press the "Maint Screen" button, then the "Start Screen" button to exit.
H. Edge Tech V65 Servo & Edge Tech Rebel Ecofeed: Begin with the long or the short pusher forward about a foot. Press and hold the forward and reverse jog buttons. After a few seconds the pusher will move to the home position and stop.
2. How do I shorten my remnant length?
Edge Tech V65 Servo & Edge Tech Rebel Ecofeed: The remnant length is controlled by the parameters "Bar End Position Setup" and "Finish Product Length Setup", the distance from the chuck or guide bushing the cut-off occurs and the length of the material in the guide channel. The bar end position setup point is the farthest the bar pusher can travel forward into the lathe. The part length is the sum of the overall part length, the width of the cut-off tool and the amount of material left for facing. When the pusher doesn't have enough travel left to move the distance in the part length parameter before reaching the front limit position the End of Bar signal is sent. If the remnant is too long verify the bar end position setup parameter and the part length parameter. Keep in mind that on all lathes there will be a certain amount of unusable material. This unusable length can be measured by moving the bar pusher to the bar end position setup point and measuring from the cut-off tool to the end of the bar pusher. For Swiss type lathes move the headstock to feeding position and measure from the back of the cut-off tool to the end of the bar pusher. This measurement is your minimum remnant length. The remnant length can be up to one part length longer than the minimum depending on home much material is remaining.
3. How do I set my "end of bar" (referred to as "max end of bar" on Edge products)?
Edge Tech V65 Servo & Edge Tech Rebel Ecofeed: Before beginning reference (re-zero) the bar pusher. For sliding headstock machines only, move the headstock into overtravel toward the guide bushing. For all machines, move the bar pusher forward with no material in the channel or spindle until the end of the bar pusher is at the back of the clamping surface of the lathe collet. Record the pusher position from the screen and enter the value in the Bar End Position Setup parameter located in the F2 Fixed Parameters. To get to the parameter press the F2 button from the main screen, then use the F2 button to scroll through the pages to the parameter. Note that the F2 section is protected by the password 258.
4. How do I set the "top cut" position (first insert position / facing length)?
Edge Tech V65 Servo & Edge Tech Rebel Ecofeed: The facing position controls where the new bar stops in the lathe during a bar change. The value of the parameter is a measurement of the distance from the facing flag to the face of the guide bushing minus 2 inches for Swiss type lathes. For fixed headstock lathes measure the distance from the facing flag to the face of the collet. Enter the measurement in the Facing Position parameter in the F2 Fixed Parameter section. To get to this parameter press the F2 button and enter the password 258. The screen will change to show the Facing Position parameter. Type the new value and press enter (F9 key to the right of the 0 key). Press the F3 key to return to the main screen.
5. What parameters or settings do I have to change when setting up a new job?
Edge Tech V65 Servo & Edge Tech Rebel Ecofeed: When changing to a new job the Finished Product Length parameter in the F1 User parameters should be changed. The proper setting is the sum of the overall part length + the width of the cut-off tool + any facing stock used. This dimension reflects the total amount of material required to make and cut off one part. The facing length may need to be altered in case of a left handed cutoff tool or to provide a longer "stick-out" of material on the bar reload. This can be accomplished through the Safety Position Setup parameter located in the F2 fixed parameters. The parameter can be adjusted higher or lower as needed. This parameter requires a password, 258, to gain access. The Open Collet Speed and Open Collet Torque parameters normally are not changed but can adjusted in special cases such as extremely small or large diameters or flexible material. These parameters can be found in the F1 User parameters.
6. Explain the dwells I need to have present in my lathe program to accommodate the bar feeder?
Edge Tech V65 Servo & Edge Tech Rebel Ecofeed: For fixed headstock lathes a dwell is required in the part program to give the bar feeder time to advance the material for the next part before the collet closes. The length of dwell is dependent on the length of the part to be feed out. A short dwell is needed to allow the bar pusher time to retract from the material before the spindle starts to prevent damage to the pusher.
7. How do you set the chain/belt tension on my bar feeder?
Edge Tech V65 Servo & Edge Tech Rebel Ecofeed: The drive belt is adjusted by moving the front pulley. Loosen the bolts on the top and bottom of the vertical shaft of the pulley. Two bolts go from the front of the bar feeder through threaded holes in the shaft, one above and one below the pulley. Tighten the screws equally to draw the pulley toward the front of the bar feeder. Retighten the bolts at the top and bottom of the shaft when done. Proper adjustment is 3/4 to 1 inch deflection when pressing on the belt at the midway point when the bar pusher carriage is at the home position. Re-zero the bar pusher after making the adjustment.